Atlanta Women Leaders Association Chapter Meeting: Become the Authentic Leader You Envision

Joanne Owen. So Joanne is the director of medical outcomes science at pharmacy. Did I say that correctly? Marian. Now she is going to talk to us today about becoming the authentic leader you envision. Now Dr. Jan is currently director of medical outcomes science leaison for the south piece at our 911 pharmaceutical journey is responsible for engaging decision makers focused on value access in the United States healthcare ecosystem join from me my squib and prior to that she was at stroki janazine specialty oh gosh center of and UCBA. Prior to her bio pharmaceutical care, she worked as a research pharmacist in Canada and maintains her pharmacy license through the Ontario College of Pharmacist. She holds a bachelor of science and pharmacy with honors uh from the University of Toronto and a doctor of pharmacy degree from University of Colorado, Denver. Joanne resides in one and enjoys fashion acting and has a passion for restoring world designer pursuits. Isn't this awesome? In her free time, she loves working on real estate projects and other investments. Another fellow fellow real estate investor. Wonderful. Give Joanne a warm welcome like a pointer thingy or Yes, there is a glasses on. It's cuz I'm at that age where I need reading glasses so I can't really see. I wrote a couple notes. My strength is not remembering things and therefore I take notes. So, my name is Joanne. Um, what do you want to know about me? Who am I? I am born and raised in Canada from a little town called Ancaster, Ontario that no one's heard of. And I am a wife. I'm a mother of 11-year-old son. I'm a daughter to my two beloved parents. I'm a sister. I am a sister-in-law. I'm also a daughter-in-law as well as a daughter, an exaughter-in-law. And um my parents were born and raised in Hong Kong and so I speak Chinese. Sometimes here in the south I get mistaken and people will say well your English is so good. You know where are you from? I say I'm from Canada. No, no, no. Where are you from? I was born and raised in Canada. But if you want to know my ethnicity, my parents were born in Hong Kong and I speak Chinese. So here I am as a person. I am told that I'm very corny. Um, people do laugh at my jokes, but I am corny. I love fashion. Uh, I love just being very creative in different ways. I also went to pharmacy school and, uh, I just have a passion for being an entrepreneur. So, that's my first introduction to you. Okay, we're talking about becoming the athletic authentic leader you envision. So, then my second introduction is kind of like my professional one. Hi, my name is Dr. Joanne Odum. I have a bachelor of science of pharmacy from the University of Toronto. Uh, one of the top 25 schools in the in the world. Yippee. And I have a doctor of pharmacy from University of Colorado. I have been at for 15 years. I'm currently a pharmaceutical executive working at Aln Pharmaceuticals as a uh director of medical science outcomes. I have been in the similar role for the past 10 years and I have worked at UCB in that's actually here in Smyrna. I was there for about seven years taking different roles. I started off in medical information a very not super glamorous role. Uh it was really when I moved from Canada down here it was a entrylevel job because nobody knew me. I tried to get interviews. I I I nobody nobody wanted to hire me except for UCB as an entry-level uh position. And so there I started off answering the phones to patients and doctors asking, you know, answering questions about medical information, getting yelled at pretty often as well by patients who weren't happy. Uh from there, I got promoted every year actually, now that I think about it, to different roles and I decided I wanted to jump onto the sales side. So I ended up being uh manager of sales training. So I had to do a lot of trainings but I used that opportunity to be trained as well. So I got to do a lot of free trainings on everything from customer engagement, emotional intelligence, pretty much anything I could get my hands on. And then from there I took a position as health outcome specialist. And from there I've just been in the same role just as a director level. I moved to San Genzyine which is a fairly large company. Then I went to Bristol Myra Squib and then now I'm here on Nylm. So of my two intros, which one did you kind of connect with and feel was more authentic, right? Because you got to know who I am as a person. Because you know when I for for professional reasons sometimes I feel like it's like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know, I could say, you know, I'm a lead author in five different publications. I have won President's Club and Circle of Excellence at three out of my four companies. You know, I could say those things, but I don't feel that that's authentic. You know, if I need to do that for work, I'll do that. I'll I'll brag about myself, but when I'm introducing myself, I want people to get to know who I am as a person. So, I try to keep this talk fairly real. So, just get comfortable with me. The other thing I wanted to say is um you know who am I? The other part the personal part I want to go back to. So I am an entrepreneur. In my free time I do restore pre-loved authentic designer accessories like the little Chanel purse I'm carrying. So, Louis Vuitton, Prada, and from that love, I started a a a side business called Joka Luxury where I sell used designer goods at very affordable prices. So, we're talking like used Louis Vuitton for like $500, that type of thing. And so, I'm an entrepreneur, heads there. And, you know, for me, it was out of just what I love. What are you passionate about? And I've just noticed that I'm always passionate about purses. I always had nice purses. And even now, I'm I'm what I call, have you guys heard the term high low fashion? Okay, I learned that on Tik Tok. High low fashion is exactly what I'm sporting today. The dress is from TJ Maxx. The purse is a a very expensive Chanel purse. Do you know what? It works, right? Nobody can tell. That's called high low fashion. So, I love purses all of all types. And that's kind of where I have this creative side where I learned how to use dyes and how to install hardware and I convert wallets into like cute little crossbodies or like little fanny packs. Fanny packs are all the rage right now, by the way. Um, and so that's one part of me. The other part is I've always been interested in real estate. No training, no nothing. I just went ahead, learned, bought my first rental property and it's actually the house behind mine and I went in with my real estate partner and then it's doing great. So, you know, just a passion of mine. Other things I love to do is I just love to cook because I love to eat. Um, I love to just have fun with my friends and I really enjoy what I do for a living because it's really in healthcare, helping other people and eventually helping patients. So that's who I am as a person. And when I was put when I was putting this together, I really thought about, you know, what are some steps to being authentic? And it's one of those things where it's just you just got to be real. So I put a couple things on here and a lot of people have spoken about some of these. So the first one is lead with your heart and your mind aligned. So we're going to start with that one. And I have a closing slide. So if you guys are trying to take notes or anything. So, I actually went through and thought about who are the best managers I've had and who are the worst. I've had like 12 managers. And then I thought about the really good ones and what I love from them that I wanted to take. Then I thought about all the really bad ones, why they were bad, and what not to do. I even had a boss whose initials were BS. So, in looking from that, I learned that all of these leaders had something in common. If you look at their resume, it could be stellar. It could be average. What set them apart is they used their technical knowledge and they combined it with their emotional intelligence. They didn't just lead with their mind, they led with their heart and their mind aligned. And I have kind of two stories to share that I feel like really drive this home. So, I was at this company and the group I was in was being reorganized. They were told by the CEO, "You got to you got to cut these positions and here's the number of positions you have to cut. Here's how many positions they can be and just go do it." This person was someone I really admire and I still do because there's two ways to do a restructure. There's one that's just like, "Mh, we'll just cut it and who cares? people are going to lose their jobs, then there's the right way to do it. And what he did was he took the headcount, say it was like 25 people, that's how many people were employed, and he needed to cut it down to 22 or 20. What he did was he rearranged the maps, the structure, and the first thing he said is, "I'm going to do this reorg. I don't want to do it, but I'm gonna make sure everybody has a job or has a job opportunity within this company by the time I'm done. He managed to keep people in their position. Everybody had to re reapply. He managed to keep people in their position and the the couple people who were going to be reorged out, he had already talked to different departments for a job lined up with them, but their job was to interview and get it. So this reorg was net neutral. No one lost their job. That could not have been possible if he wasn't leading just if he left with just led with his mind. He led with his heart. And now how many people do you think will work for him and follow him? He's now a CEO. I told him I said, "Dude, I'll work for you any day." Right? So the second example was um another company I was at. They were doing another reorg. there's a state where they were going to reorg the entire state and lay off the entire office. So, I was kind of involved because I'm in the field and when I heard what the senior leadership was going to do, I was devastated and I said, "Okay, I don't know all the people in the office, but I know this person who is my partner and my peer and this person's very valuable." And they said, "Well, we don't care. we're just going to cut the whole thing and you know we're going to just absorb it back into our our group. And I decided, you know what? I'm going to be real. I'm not going to stand for this. So, yes, I told a senior leader of a very big pharma company that this person I work with is invaluable. I cannot do my job without him and that if he goes, I go, too. Then he said, "Okay, I get your point." And I said, "No, I want your word that you're going to retain this person because you have not worked with them. You don't know how valuable they are. You don't know how integral they are to our customers." And so later on, I got a text. All right, we're keeping him. We've found a way to make it work. Fast forward, it's been two years. He just wants circle of excellence. Let me tell you for his job to win circle of excellence where he is is unheard of. So actually when I saw that senior leader at a meeting earlier this year I went straight up to him. I was like told you so one circle of excellence and he's lined up to win it next year. I said I tell you so. Yeah, Joanne, you know, I'm glad you spoke up because they were ready to let him go. So, I'm just sharing that story because I learned what my leader taught me. And for me, being authentic and real, I didn't have to do that. But you know what? I just decided that I want someone to do the same for me. And I've had so many people do the same for me in my career. And so, that's really when you're being a leader, you really need to consider what you're doing. the impact on others. And if you're able to do that, then people are going to want to follow you. And then I know a lot of people have been talking about um empathy. So when you're trying to lead, doesn't mean you have to have a direct report. The people around you, it's I put the I put this quote on here. What I mean by empathy is putting yourself in other people's shoes, feeling what they feel. In every decision you make in the workplace, any project when you're communicating with someone, always keep in mind what is that person going through? What is their career goals? What perspective are they going to? And if you keep that in mind, then you'll be able to lead not just with your mind, but with your heart aligned. Second thing I wrote here is um be you. Don't be something you're not. It sounds so simple. Who watches Game of Thrones? I just binged watched it. I just finished the last episode. I was sad. But um that lady that I don't the lady Tyrell, she had a quote and she says she says to Daeneria, she goes, "Daenerys is the mother of dragons." Okay. She says, "Are you a sheep?" "No, you're a dragon. Be a dragon. And so when you're thinking about how to be authentic, don't be something you're not. Listen, I ain't no athlete. If you trying to get me to run, no. Okay. Ironically, my ex-husband and my husband both played, you know, one was in the Olympics and the other played pro football and and track. And then people look at me like, "You don't look like an athlete." No, I'm not. Okay? I don't have any gym memberships. I don't do nothing. You know, so people said this earlier today, know your strengths and your weaknesses. And you know what? Your weaknesses are opportunities. Knowing your strengths is what makes you passionate. So really a key part, don't be something you're not. So I put here, this is probably not the best example, but if you really want to evaluate yourself, you do a SWAT analysis. We do these for work. S stands for your strengths, W your weaknesses, O for opportunities, and T for threats. So when you go through this list and think about, okay, what are my strengths? I am an extrovert. I love people. Does it make sense if I pursued a job in a cubby where I don't see people 24/7? No. So I got to be real to myself. I have worked the home office life and I've decided the reason I'm happy in my job is because I'm remote. Meaning some days I work in my pajamas. I five minutes beforehand. Sometimes brush my hair, sometimes don't. My wardrobe are is what I call is she wearing pajamas or is that loungewear? I work with all male co-workers, so they can't tell, but if it was a female, I'd be like, yeah, she's in pajamas. Um, weaknesses. I am not super like technical. You know, there's certain things about statistics I don't know. But that's okay because I attend courses and I lean on the people who I know who are better than that at me. And I tell them, I don't know anything about this. I'm just going to be real, but I need you to help me. Do you know how much of a good response you get when you're just able to be real with people? They respect you and then they want to help you. Opportunities. I mean, think about things where people have given you feedback. How can you improve? And then threats. It might be something that's external. You know, it could be you you have something going on with your family and that could threaten your job. But when you're thinking about being authentic, how do you be you? Do this type of analysis and remember your weaknesses are not necessarily weaknesses if you work on them. I think I've heard this so many times and I know Jenna started off with this. Take care of yourself so you can take care of others. And actually, Dr. Phil had that quote. I didn't know it was his. You have to take care of yourself before you can take care of others. You know, our tone and our attitude is everything. And when I look across this room, I see mothers, I see wives, I see granddaughters, I see daughters. I mean, how many hats do we have to wear? And for those of us who have kids, how many of you have kids in the room? Okay, so now you have the you're a cook, you're an entertainer, you're an activity director, you're also an Uber driver, you're also a cheerleader. How many roles do we have to wear? We cannot wear all those roles if our vessel is empty. Just like Jenna said, okay, we are a pitcher. If we got nothing to pour into others, there's something wrong with that. And put this on the screen, a thermometer, because um a pastor's wife once gave this as an example. And so I'm going to give the same example. She says as a woman, we are like the thermometers. Whatever room we go into in our home among our peers, we are we set the temperature. Meaning, if it's a certain time that maybe some of us in the month aren't that happy and kind of cranky, guess what? Everyone around us is going to feel it. If we're happy and we're full, people are going to feel that. We, whether we like it or not, we set the tone. And, you know, for those of us who are married, you know, I I like to make sure my family knows what tone I'm in. I didn't get a lot of sleep, so mom's going to be a little cranky today. Put them on notice. I'm not going to surprise them with what tome I am. I'm telling them mom's at the bottom on the scale, so I'll be back tomorrow type of thing. And I have a quote here. You can't pour from an empty cup. And I know that um people were, you know, Jenna was saying, you know, we really have to fill ourselves up. And it's not easy. So for me personally this year I have kind of made it a spiritual journey for me where I really felt that I needed to rep prioritize things in my life because I was running on empty empty. And I I told my husband I said you know my entire life I've been taking care of everyone. I'm the oldest of two. I have been taking care of my parents, my brothers, my sisters, my family members. Now I got extended family members. Now I got ex-in-laws and in-laws, ex-ro. I mean, just so many people. And I'm a caretaker. And finally got to the point where I just couldn't give anymore. And I really had to dial back. And um I was given an analogy of a Dunkin Donuts. Um how many people love Dunkin Donuts? You got that DD rewards card, don't you? I was driving by the Dunkin Donuts by my house and it's an older Dunkin Donuts, but it's functional. I get my coffee. I know the manager. I know all the staff. I get my points. One day they tore that thing down. I was devastated. America runs on Duncan and so does Joanne Odum. Okay. And then I found out that they were building it new and now it's brand new. And I felt just for my faith, the message spoken to me was Joanne, you're like that old Dunkin Donuts. You thought it was fine, but it wasn't. And I'm going to tear you down to build you up brick by brick so that when you're complete, you'll be a shining light to everyone and an inspiration and something good will happen. And so this year, I've really had to prioritize myself. I've had to be selfish, which is against us being women and caretakers. I had to make time for myself. What does that even mean? Just want 5 minutes in the bathroom with no one coming in bugging me. It means I just want 10 minutes in the kitchen to cook a meal without mom, can you do homework? Oh, babe, I need this. No. So, I have had to be selfish with my time because I recognized my cup was so empty. And slowly this year, I've had to do things to take care of myself. I've had to do things like, okay, this does sound like this sounds pretty good, but I've had to take a day and just let's go get some massages. You know, I never used to, you know, get my nails done. I decided that that was something that made me really happy. It's very vain, but it makes me happy. So, I got sparkle nails on, and a lot of you have seen it. You might think about wanting to get some sparkle nails, too. Um, just taking care, self-care, like some of the things was just, you know, I didn't have my eyebrows waxed before. Now I have them done and I'm like, I feel like a million bucks. Uh, shopping. Guess what? I love shopping. And it's not like you have to spend a lot, you know? I'll go into TJ Maxx. I'll spend 50 bucks. Guess what? Look at my outfit. Came out. I feel fantastic. You know, so that is something that you really need to prioritize. And when it comes to taking care of yourself, it's not just your physical health, okay? You got to get your doctor's checkups. It's your mental health. And with COVID and being a pharmacist and having seen so much, this is the area where I feel like people don't talk enough about Because having talked to so many people in my industry, my friends and family, I can say that probably eight out of 10 people suffer some form of anxiety or depression or something. It might not be to the point where they need medication or therapy, but you go through these things. And so, what do you need to prioritize your mental health? Sorry, I've got a bunch of notes. Um, oh, the last thing I wanted to say about taking care of yourself is I looked in the workplace and this is going to sound funny, but you guys are going to do it. Watch this. I said, who do I like working with and who do I not like working with their personal lives? So, I took the group of people I really like and I'm like, "Oh my god, they are very happy in their personal life. Whether they're single, they're married, whatever they got going on, they love skydiving, riding horses, these people love their lives." Then I took at the other other side of the picture of the people who I did not like working with. And then I realized none of these people are happy in their personal lives. They got nothing going on. People don't like them. they're cranky or I remember one guy, he was a senior and I was he was a senior leader and he was just really mean. And then I said to them, I said, "Let's apply this rule." I told my friend, "Let's apply the rule." Turns out his wife wears the pants. He has no power at home. Therefore, he feels that he needs to control everyone at work. Isn't that interesting? So that's when I realized I want to make sure that for me to be effective in the workplace, my cup has to be filled up. For me to be effective at home, my cup needs to be filled up. Number four, invest in yourself. You're worth it. The serve others part should be deleted. That was a typo. Um, this is something again that comes with being a little bit selfish and taking care of ourselves. We have to invest in ourselves. Do you think anyone else is investing in us? No. Absolutely not. And I love this quote. Self-care is how you take your power back. So, what does investing in yourself look like in the workplace? It means kind of nicely demanding what courses or classes or seminars that you want to do. A lot of our companies have plans where if you say you've worked there for a year, they'll sponsor you to go back and get a degree. It might not be a master's degree, but they'll sponsor you to go to like one of these universities and do a leadership course. And one thing I've really learned from my career is ask for what I want. And so I always make it a point at every job to ask for what I want. And unfortunately for me, they keep trying to promote me. And I'm like, no, I don't want to be promoted. But here's what I want. I want to work on global projects. I want to work on some creative digital things and I want to attend, you know, this for my personal growth. I write it down on my goals. The reason I write it down on my goals is because at the end of the year, not only am I going to get measured, my manager is going to get measured of how did he develop Joanne? Did he support her doing this, this, and this? So, in the workplace, this is what investing in yourself means. And it also means looking at the different things they provide. Um, other things I would say to invest in your health is taking time off. How many people have vacation days that they carry over that because they don't use? No. No. No. No. I push this so hard. Take the time off. You've earned it. When I was a pharmacist, I used to work at a retail pharmacy. The big thing is, you know, they didn't close for lunch and I never took a lunch and I burnt out. I just burnt out. And even when I was working in house, I would just work 12-hour days and not take a lunch. And then I realized, guess what? My cup's empty. So, I made it a point every day, I'm going to take a 1hour lunch. I don't care who's sitting there judging me. I'm going to take my lunch because that's my time to regroup. That's my time to talk to friends. That's my time to vent. And what I found was taking that break, that time I invested in myself, I was better for the rest of the day. And I was better every week and I was better every month because even though I was working long hours, I made it a priority to take that time. Warren Buffett says, "The best investment you can make is an investment in yourself. The more you learn, the more you'll earn." And this could not be truer. So, I share that I have two pharmacy degrees. She must be pretty smart. No, I'll tell you why. I did my pharmacy degree at University of Toronto. That was what I chose to do. And when I moved down to the United States here for personal reasons that no longer apply, that's the professional answer. The real answer is I came down for my ex-husband and then we had a kid and I'm here now. So when I came down here, I don't know anyone. And when I got my entry level job after a year in, they said, "Good news, bad news." I was like, "Okay, just give it to me. Good news is we're going to promote you. Yay. Thanks. Bad news is you don't qualify. What? Well, the good news is we have a sponsorship program where we can support you to go back and get your doctor of pharmacy degree. But the bad news is you're going to have to go back to school. Now, I literally just graduated from pharmacy school like two years prior. So now I'm being asked to do the exact same thing while working and then I have to put my own money into it. That was me. And so I now share that because I really had to invest in myself because I realized that with a with a doctorate degree, I could demand more and I can kind of make the hours that I'm did. And that's what I did. And as soon as I got my farm degree, I was in the medical side. I decided, well, I've invested in myself. My company's invested in me like a true employee. I'm going to switch groups now. So that's exactly what I did. And because I had invested in me um and invested in the relationships I made, I was able to get promoted into another group. And that was when I was doing sales training and and uh training the sales reps and things like that. And then last, number five, when your cup is full, when you've taken care of yourself, when you've invested in yourself, you have so much to pour. And you know, old style of leadership, like there's still some companies, it's like dictator, like, hey, you, you're going to do one, two, three for me today, and I don't care about you cuz I'm going to make myself look good. These days, the change in leadership is servant leadership. And I've been so fortunate that I've had a lot of leaders this way, my current manager this way, and I'm going to tell them later today that I'm going I put what he says to me every time on our oneonone. Joanne, how can I help you? How does that make you feel that your manager says, "Hey, what can I help you with? What do you need help with?" It makes you feel so good. And servant leadership is really it's not what can this you know what can this company do for me it's what can I do for this company I think some famous person said some version of that like what can oh wait the country thing what can this country do for me that one but being a servant leader is looking at those below you above you at your level and saying you know how can I serve you and I was so fortunate that at my last two jobs I had an executive coach and I really want to dedicate this to him. His name is Bill Butcher. He passed away like two years ago and his coaching was a lot on servant leadership. He said when you meet someone in your workplace, everyone is kind of like a customer to you because it's about your personal brand and how people feel by working with you. And so he taught me like kind of how to use the words to humble myself. So when I'm working with someone who's in a position below me, I just had this conversation yesterday. I said, "Hey, you're new." I said, "My job is to help support you. You know, even though I'm in a higher position, I don't manage you, but here's what I can do and here's where times that it might be useful for you to bring me in." And so I've been doing that and taking the coaching and it's been working fabulous. And um this current company I've been with, I've just been with On Island for 8 months and I just won their award like 2 months ago and my boss is like, "You came here in 5 months and did what we couldn't do in 5 years." Um and I actually just got some text messages. There's a POA there and apparently they're they're giving kudos to me. That could not have been possible if I didn't use the servant leadership approach cuz I humbled myself. I said,"I try to understand each person I'm working with, a customer, whatever. What perspective do you come in from? How can I help you?" And that's really what has helped me create my own personal brand. And you know, they say, "Pass it on." Um, I know some people in the audience are looking for jobs and I thought to myself, I've never really had to interview hard for a job besides the first one I got when I came here because I built my personal brand so much that the past three jobs I've had, they've called me. I I wasn't the smartest. I will tell you, I am definitely not the smartest because who does two pharmacy degrees? Um, but the reason they hired me was because of their experience. They know I have the skill set from what they believe and they know that they can count on me. My personal brand, my personal reputation. So, I've been fortunate that the past three jobs I've gotten have been all by referrals. Um, and so here's just kind of to sum it up. You know, how to be authentic. Lead with your heart and your mind. Especially if you're a leader in your organization. Again, don't just think with your brain. Think about the impact on other people. You know, that's called integrity. That's what makes people want to work with you. That's what makes people want to promote you. Second of all, be you. Don't be something you're not. You know, I'm not an introvert. I know that. I can't sit behind something. I'm an entrepreneur. I need to go out there. I need to get it. I need to do my own thing. Three, take care of yourself. If your company has a mental health day, I strongly recommend it. I did something um a good friend of mine said it's called uh it's like called floating. Has anybody heard of this? It's called floating. There's a place in Buckhead. I think it's called float therapy. And my friend said, "You need to do this. This is like good for like mental health and just good for stress and taking care of yourself." So, it's this like big pod and you go in there, they clean it and you take off all your clothes and then you you lie on lie in this like saltwater pod and all your stimuli are removed. There's no lights, there's no sounds and you're in a pod for like 30 minutes to an hour. If you're claustrophobic, I wouldn't recommend it. Okay? But I was trying to be open-minded. I'm trying to take care of myself. I did it. And for the first 10 minutes, your mind's going, "Okay, I got to pick up the groceries. I got to go Costco run. I got to go to my son's this. I need to do that." But then after 10 minutes, you know, you're just in the dark. And then you just can relax. And when you come out, you take a nice shower and you just feel like a million bucks. So that's something to suggest. Um, four, invest in yourself, in your workplace. Ask ask for what you want. If you want to get promoted, tell them that. Don't be afraid. And if you get the feeling that they're not trying to promote you, then you know your options. You know, if you need to look somewhere else, even in your personal self, they have spiritual retreats. Like a lot of church have these spiritual retreats, they have yoga classes, they have, you know, um different things. I was at this conference a month ago and they had this speaker who was part of this MTV show about you know a bucket list thing and he made all of us ask in the audience like what is one thing you want to do that you couldn't do and because in pharmaceuticals people are so busy trying to work that the answers they gave like the guy next to me was like I want to be I want to learn how to take guitar lessons that was his one thing that he would regret not doing. So, I encourage you guys to think about things that you want to do that you can't. Um, when he turned around and asked me what I want to do because I've already been in this journey for myself this year, you know, I'm rebuilding that brand new Dunkin Donuts. I said, I can tell you that I am already doing everything I want to do. If you asked me that last year, I couldn't say it. But I said, I am. And for me, it's going to look different than other people. For me, I had a free weekend coming up. I said, I want to go to Paris by myself. So, I am, you know, I like to travel. For some people, could be going cooking, you know, organizing a woman's night out, different things. And then five, serve others by a servant leadership. When your cup is full, when you're giving from a place of fullness, it is so much more peaceful. It is so much more controlled. It is so much more balanced. And it's just it's just a lot better than serving on empty. And I've done both. Um, so just to close it off, I just wanted to forgot to mention something about myself. And I know I had a lot of ladies telling me I had good fashion sense. So, um, I also do part-time modeling and acting, doing it for 20 plus years. I've been with Ford Models. I've been with different agencies. I've I've walked runways. I've done TV commercials. I still do TV commercials. Uh, pretty much any form of modeling I've except nude and swimwear and lingerie, okay? But any form of legitimate modeling I have done. And for acting, I am what I call a fake actor because I don't have any training. I have me, myself, and I. 100% real. And ironically, for like a lot of these oneliners, if I'm just trying to play a mom, I just play me. Okay, I'm going to act today. I'm going to be an actor. I'm going to be me. And so, I've been fortunate to land different roles like that. And for me, it's fun. It's creative. It gets me out of the the mumbo and jumbo of the day job. And when I come home, I have so much more to give my family and friends because my cup is full. So, um, any fashion tips? Happy to share. But, uh, but yeah, that's pretty much about it. Any questions? I did. I'm high low fashion. Remember, high low fashion. So, the high low fashion is your clothes. I mean, I' I've worn so many designer clothes. I've worn designer clothes. I've bought stuff from Shen. I've got clothes from everywhere. Zara. Do you know what? Clothes are going to rip and they're going to style. Your accessories, the Gucci purse, the Louis Vuitton wallet, that's not going to go out of style. So, hy low fashion is wear whatever you want and then like style your accessories. Like here's my Louis Vuitton ring. That's really [Laughter] cute. So, yeah. questions. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Joanne. I hope you're going to catch your plane. Okay. Did we end on time enough for you? Okay, good. Yay. Thank you.